| ID: | Subject: 1024chan traffic manipulation |
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| I've checked their /b/ board, and their IRC channel, both are pretty much dead. There's no way these guys are getting > 3,000 unique PVs per day. | |
| Well how do you suppose they do it? Traffic "manipulation" is easier said than done. |
| Not to mention tCTL gets a lot of hits from people googling "1024chan" which is usually an indication that there's lots of traffic (of their traffic there has to be a significant amount of people that google their site instead of typing it in, and on top of that they have to decide to click our link for some reason) but one can never rule out foul play :P although it seems unlikely |
| they could just be running a big advertising campaign for inexpensive, low quality traffic, so they get lots of hits and not many posters |
| Well, it's a good site with a lot of content and there are hundreds of posts every day if you check the boards; I agree that their /b/ is lying pretty still though. I don't think they're cheating. Traffic is expensive, and you don't get that many hits from the toplist. |
| traffic isn't expensive |
| i think this deserves a bump. i like how they magically get 500 more uniques overnight |
| They may be paying for cheap traffic, I know where you can get 20,000 unique views for $5 (worthless traffic only good for raising pagerank) |
| ive spoken with r3x (888chan) and he says that 888 and 1024 are linked and that explains the increase in traffic |
| @3337 >>worthless traffic only good for raising pagerank >>only good for raising pagerank >>worthless traffic >>for raising pagerank Go learn how SEO works, fucktard. Traffic doesn't improve pagerank, backlinks do (and even then it's only decent ones) |
| I'm r3x. I spoke with the admin of 1024chan about linking our /i/ boards. We linked like 2-3 weeks ago. Whatever traffic increase would have happened from that has already happened. It doesn't explain how 888 and 1024 are neck and neck yesterday, and suddenly 1024 has + 1000 uniques today. I call bullshit. |
| perhaps stats should be more detailed, somewhat like google analytics does for content. instead of just showing the total number of unique PVs it could show the number of unique PVs split into which board/section of the website they came from. p.s. r3x how much traffic would you lose if your illegal board was closed? |
| >illegal board fuck off you stupid nigger |
| @3355 hahaha. If you're referring to /jb/, it's perfectly legal in Amsterdam. Before you say "oh no, it's hosted in texas, I did a whois", those are just reverse proxies we use for ddos mitigation, to hide the actual IP. Someone ddoses us, we remove the proxy that's getting hit, from the DNS, business continues as usual. We come by all our traffic honestly, and it pisses me off when a board that isn't anywhere near as active as 888 is not only beating us, but gets #1. |
| @3357 lol, you think child porn is 'legal' in amsterdam? |
| @3360 lolicon is not child porn retard |
| @3351 alexa pagerank morron |
| @3361 Actually, it is: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/01/07/20-years-for-loli-manga-%E2%80%9Cvictims-don%E2%80%99t-have-to-exist%E2%80%9D/ There are many countries with a similar ban and your ISP no matter where it is, has to obey international law |
| @3369 That's only in the US, many countries lolicon is perfectly legal |
| united states law is not international law, fuck the US |
| ORLY? Let's talk to your "proxy" at: http://fdcservers.net/ and see what they think. Then we can strip you of proxies until we get to you and find out where they really are. |
| Ok everyone should calm the fuck down. r3x stfu about how clever you are with proxies and shit and just ignore the "hurr /jb/ is noorty" stuff @3377 If you would really try to screw with another chan for no real reason then you really need to re-evaluate your own life. As for 1024chan, I don't think they are cheating, they just have a really popular /jb/. Full of leeches and lurkers, would you really be jealous of this kind of dead traffic? /thread |
| @3369 you've been argued down many times tahko quit beating a fucking dead horse quit fucking sparky4 in the ass and get GTFO |
| @3361 the images on the /jb/ board are not lolicon. they are child pornography. does r3x live in amsterdam? i hope so, because the person that runs a website is legally responsible for the content, not the server it's hosted on. if he's in the states, well that means he has to follow the U.S. Code. @3378 I wonder if Pylon would tell us how he feels about the highest ranked sites getting their because of illegal content. People can think what they want about the legal status of said images, but the fact of the matter is that the chantoplist is a traffic swapping entity. And when we share this site with places that get most of their traffic from legal grey-area boards, we are basically saying to our own users that we support that sort of thing and for them to check it out. I like TCTP and I like ideas such as share.chan3, but would you stick around a top list that links to content illegal in your country? r3x may think he's smart and avoiding the law, but that doesn't automagically mean everyone else is exempt from responsibility. What's the limit? Has pylon drawn a line in the sand? Would he allow a chan site that is underage porn specific, or does it need other boards to make it alright? |
| @3382 Oh I think I understand now. You're Tahko and you're trying to get rid of chans that get more traffic than you because you feel they're on the toplist simply to "keep you down". I know you've probably thought about it a lot of times, but seriously, the time is right. Kill yourself. |
| @3384 winrar |
| I bet Tahko is raging right now because he's using bullshit tactics to scare anyone that has "gray area" stuff and it's not working |
| @3381 Actually, you don't know as much as you think. I don't revel in my victories online. I'm not doing it for the glory. |
| @3382 Wasn't me. -Tahko |
| Hey plyon, why are we not allowed to manipulate the button but 1024chan does and they are #1 on the list? http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2345/violation.jpg |
| @3392 fail. you can set the html width and height you know. |
| @3393 ummmm no I mean pylon explicitly told everyone not to mess with it. |
| about 1024chan's traffic spike: if you look at their alexa page ranking you'll see that their ranking for yesterday and this past week shows a huge traffic spike, so somehow they're getting tons of traffic |
| @3402 They were down for a while, only came back up this week. |
| rnd from 1024chan here. Just wanted to say that we aren't cheating. Feel free to contact us at 1024chan@live.dk or #1024chan on Rizon if you have any questions regarding the site. |
| @3382 Still waiting for a reply from Pylon. The question requires an answer. Should we get rewarded for working hard to make our websites good places that people enjoy to hang out, or should we be rewarded for taking the easy path and simply slapping a CP trading board on our site that attracts thousands of pedos every day. It's funny to see the people above crying about my legitimate question. They act like it's such a heroic work of the mind to figure out that pedos love porn of young people. Do work, son. p.s. I am not Tahko. Pylon will know this because he most likely checks IPs. |
| @3405 I AM Tahko and I agree 100% |
| @3405 I don't check IPs :P But to answer this: @3382 If your board is on the toplist with other boards that contain illegal content then you are in no way liable for them. So you should not even worry about it. Like he said the owners of those sites are held accountable for their content. Frankly I think it's idiotic that a site getting traffic from all over the world should obey US laws. I also think it's idiotic that the US thinks it can censor any type of information on the internet. That being said I do not condone CP, in fact I despise it. But this site is about imageboards. So all imageboards are welcome. If some chan called "Super CP Time" joined TCTL then I would probably have to remove them for blatant legal reasons. But for all I know 888chan does not contain child pornography, and if it did I could go to jail for checking (the images would stored on my computer's cache even) okay so to answer your question directly: @3405 It's impossible to judge what "taking the easy path" is when it comes to imageboards. Sure porn will probably attract more attention, but if we ban them for "taking the easy path" then we can ban any site that we think takes the easy path. You can't complain that your site doesn't get as much traffic because you don't allow porn because that was Your descicion. Keep in mind if you keep your website SFW you're getting rewarded in many ways. For instance you can actually put advertisements on your site. Porn sites get a lot of traffic but the traffic is also worth a lot less. -pylon |
| @3408 My sites allow porn. My sites do not allow child pornography. Take it from me, those sites DO contain child pornography. >If some chan called "Super CP Time" joined TCTL then I would probably have to remove them for blatant legal reasons. coughchanslutscough JUST KIDDING, JOHN ;D |
| @3410 If google thinks it's okay to index then so does TCTL :P |
| @3405 Can you namefag yourself plz? To save Tahko's grace at least. I can't think of anyone except Tahko who would baw this hard about something that really doesn't concern them. Unless you're just some fag from a shitty site no-one cares about. |
| @3415 My name is Inigo Montoya. |
| @3417 You killed my father, prepare to die. @3415 Why is a name required? Can someone give a defending argument and/or viewpoint supporting the facilitating of venues for the purpose of sharing pornography of non-adults? |
| @3419 Seriously, they try. -Tahko |
| Either way, why such the huge turd about 888 /jb/? 1024 /jb/ was about a thousand times worse before they took the password off. How do you think they got so popular? |
| @3420 In fairness, a lot of users are teens, will be going out with other teens (if they can), and may like to look at other teens porn. 16+ is legal, so there's no problem. Other people acknowledge that girls are at their most attractive when they are 17-20. Just because you're a fat 33 yr old faggot doesn't mean everyone else is. |
| @3213 that last sentence like, describes exactly what tahko is loooool |
| @3421 To prove my point, check out 9781chan since they started hosting CP. The pedos come in thousands. 1024 was hosting that content for ages behind the password, thus the pedos came and made it popular. |
| I don't think the FBI really cares all that much about jailbait. It's mostly the really young children who are abused and such because of the child pornography trade. They're the ones we should be concerned about, not some slutty 16 year old who photographed her tits |
| @3433 Wow. You kids really don't watch the news at all do you? http://news.google.com/news?q=sexting&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&ei=TuwhSrzAIpXcMICW_KUJ&sa=X&oi=news_group&resnum=1&ct=title |
| that's local government though, not the fbi |
| @3439 that's mostly just certain high schools and communities and shit. If you haven't heard anything in your town then that won't matter |
| @3464 that's how it is retard |
| @3465 I've personally worked with Perverted Justice in conjunction with the FBI on multiple occasions. You are 100% incorrect. |
| @3410 what does chansluts have to do with anything? |
| @3470 Perverted Justice are a bunch of retards that have no jurisdiction anywhere. If you work with them then why don't you have all these chans with /jb/ boards shut down |
| @3476 Good idea actually. |
| @3476 >Perverted Justice in conjunction with the FBI Read more. Perverted justice operates many of the honeypot websites used to lure pedophiles into one-on-one meet ups with people they think are young boys or girls. These sites are often used in conjunction with FBI resources to locate pedophiles and pursue further investigation. |
| @3489 then what does this have to do with imageboards? |
| @3489 I don't question the methodology, but how would that work with imageboards? Aside from someone being absolutely stupid by posting their information on one (and granted, some are really fucking stupid), I don't know how something like that could be pulled off. Now if I'm wrong about that, feel free to explain if you're able to. |
| @3494 I never said PJ does anything on imageboards. I was simply stating that the federal government is more active in this sort of stuff than is often thought. Of course, it's not like they're on some sort of witch hunt. If they went after ALL the pedos they'd have to do a thorough investigation of all the politicians.... But we're talking about the people running the websites, not the people posting on them. Most people who own websites are very easy to dox. Some people think they are smart and can hide their information, but this is a process that must be fully understood and planned for long before most people think of it. Take r3x, for example. His information is now public data. I wonder if this will have any effect on the status of 888chan's jb board. |
| @3498 I was reading into the previous post a bit too much, don't mind me. As for gathering dox for people who run sites, it is easy if you know what to look for. Even with private domain registration, it's a moot point if other clues pertaining to a person's idendity are left behind. |
| @3499 No problem. Also, agreed. It's very easy. Then again, data mining is my job. |
| Even if you know where they live how does that get the FBI involved. PJ and to catch a predator was just a publicity stunt and they could pull it off because the people were actually visiting the children's houses. Being an imageboard admin isn't the same in any way |
| @3501 You don't know much about PJ. Most people don't. Most of what they do is lure pedophiles into conversation through their honey pots. The honey pots are, more often than not, fake personal websites for underage girls and boys rather than websites hosting child pornography. There is a huge following on the internet of older men and women that comb the search engines looking for possible hits leading to what they think are easy targets. To Catch a Predator is dumb. It rages me. That's a whole different conversation, though. Like I said, PJ isn't exactly related to the specific subject of imageboards. However, people like r3x are bound by United States law therefor he is at risk of the full penalty of the law regarding trafficking child pornography. And, yes, the government looks at people who make the venues available to people for use in trafficking the same as the people doing the actual trafficking. Someone try and argue that ^ lool |
| @3502 well r3x isn't in trouble so until I see someone get in trouble (with the law) for an imageboard then you don't really have a point. The worst that would happen is they will tell you to take the CP down, and if you don't then that should be interesting to see unfold |
| @3504 You are fairly new to the internet if you haven't heard of anyone getting in trouble for something they did on an imageboard. There have been individuals arrested by federal agents for things less demonized than child pornography, trust me. Hell, even I have been sued in a federal court for the happenings on my boards. http://pastebin.com/f1fefa50a Those are r3x's dox. Is he currently in legal trouble? No. Is he currently breaking US Code? Yes. Are trolls targeting him on unrelated charges which could more than likely lead to information being passed directly to the authorities...? Oh yeah. Back in the day (before 99% of these chans existed) there used to be a dedicated somethingawful task force that went around and took down all of the pedo chans they found. Too bad they stopped doing their job years ago. :-( Maybe it's time to pick up their slack! |
| @3505 The individuals that have been arrested were for bomb threats or reltaed incidents. "Hell, even I have been sued in a federal court for the happenings on my boards." show me a news article or proof If the FBI is willing to get involved why would you have to target r3x on unrelated charges? It's obviously not a big deal if you have to go through loopholes to get someone in trouble. You can do that to anyone |
| @3505 you are the most worthless human being i've ever seen |
| @3507 moralfag |
| @3508 retard @3505 is a moralfag, he's trying to get other people in trouble with the law in order to make himself feel like he's worth something. which he's not btw |
| speaking of personal info and dox, anyone send some free tampons to James "Tahko" Williamson lately? |
| @3506 I never said I am targeting r3x. This was merely an example. Why so defensive? Perhaps you should try a thought out response to prove me wrong. Also, I will not provide any evidence of the past case against me since this would reveal my identity. @3509 Prove me wrong. I am not trying to get anyone in trouble. If I *wanted* that to happen then it would. I am merely bringing up a point of discussion which I believe the admin of these boards should themselves ponder. p.s. only newfags use the term "moralfag." the same goes for the term "newfag." it was only used so that you could understand what i meant. ;-) |
| @3511 I bet we could get into some really interesting discussions. :p As a sidenote, it's stated in the rules section of my board that apparent jailbait (pornographic or not) is a bannable offence, yet people/bots still post that. It's a real bother sometimes. |
| Tahko here. Been down for 2 days so I don't know what's going on. But if you want to send me tampons, they'll never make it. Again as insistent and certain as people are that they have my dox, I haven't got one gift yet. |
| lol, what's up with 1024chan's rating? |
| @3505 Why the pastebin to the dox? That you didn't even collect? Seems like an unnecessary thing to add to your gay little post. If I find out what chan you own it won't come up for a while. |
| @3505 hi r3x |
| @3531 Don't threaten people you don't know. |
| ITT: Buthurt faggots across the board. |
| @3538 butthurt |
| @3536 It's the internet. I can threaten who and what I want. |
| @3505 lol. I love how he pastebinned the dox from partyvan as if he wanted to show he put it together himself or he was in the know more than us. What a dumb shit. |
| @3553 Good Tahko, good. I'll remember that. What goes around comes around. -r3x |
| @3553 You sure can. Threatening anonymous doesn't get you anywhere, though. @3554 lol what? You loved that? Did it really give you that much of a rise? My intention was nothing close to what you were able to slap out on your keyboard. As stated previously, it was an example of how the thin veil of security that admins have can really work against them if they do illegal things publicly. I mean, c'mon, anyone with half a brain that's spent at least 10 minutes around the 'raiding community' knows that real life information and internet serious business are not supposed to mix. If it does, you're either the mark or a really bad raider. p.s. @3554 "I love how he pastebinned the dox from partyvan as if he wanted to show he put it together himself or he was in the know more than us." that makes it seem like you wanted to show that you put it up yourself or to prove that you were more in the know than myself or anyone else (way more than my initial posting of the pastebin url did) a+ logic ftw |
| @3556 Thanks for playing the guessing game but you are wrong. It's kinda why I don't say anything threatening anymore. I just would like to say that it's about time others came out and stood up against obviously stupid shit. I just do what I want to do, I don't warn anyone anymore because they don't listen anyway. I would tell you what I've done recently but I'd rather not catch any heat from it. Besides, you never know for sure if it's me or not. All I'm hearing is you crying about there being more watchdogs. Adapt or die. Not a threat, a fact of life. |
| @3556 Tahko is too stupid to talk that in-depth. He can also putup or shutup, and stop spamming his shit with his frankenlinks account |
| @3558 lol, he's so cocky that he had to grade his own logic |
| @3559 Initially I thought you were jihad. Then I thought, "nah jihad isn't this much of a loser to screw and stick his nose into other people's shit this much". So I assumed Tahko. Now though, I don't know. Hopefully you're not jihad and just some random fucker. |
| @3562 Definitely not me. Me being jihad. That is all. |
| @3567 Well then that means that more people are voicing their true opinions on it. I mean it's fun to make fun of pedophilia, it's another to take it so far that you enable pedophilia. Drawn or not, you know you are a pedo. "hooky virtue" |
| @3568 Meh, no matter what you say I still don't think when I look, cream my load all over a picture of a 16 yr old girl, when I myself am 18, am a pedo. Think what you like though. |
| @3582 yep. Pedo. There has to be a line somewhere. I mean it sucks but that's life. |
| @3583 hahaha. you are a delusional fool. fucking a 16 yr old girl is legal. looking at her tits if the content is hosted somewhere where it is legal is legal you need to read up on your shit Tahko. you're a sad fuck and thus i bid you good day |
| so how does age of consent come into play where in a few states it's at 14? (it's been a few months since I checked though) For instance: if a 15 year old guy has nude pictures of his 17 year old girlfriend, that automatically makes him a pedophile? I bet Tahko's jealous because noone would fuck his ugly fat ass when he was a teenager |
| You are a pedo if you are sexually aroused by pre-pubescent children. If you are 18 and fapping to 16 years olds you are not a pedo. Remember that *being* a pedo isnt illegal in most western countries. Downloading porn of girls under the age of X *is*, regardless of whether you are a pedo or not. |
| Australia The maximum penalty is 10 years jail and/or a $120,000 fine. People have been successfully prosecuted after describing acts of abuse via SMS. Operation Auxin in September 2004 led to the arrest of almost 200 people on charges of child pornography, and "sting" operations are common. Canada Canadian law forbids the production, distribution, and possession of child pornography. Prohibition covers the visual representations of sexual activity by persons (real or imaginary) under the age of 18 years and the depiction of their sexual organ/anal region for a sexual purpose, unless an artistic, educational, scientific, or medical justification can be provided and the court accepts it. It also includes the written depictions of persons or characters (fictional or non-fictional) under the age of 18 engaging in sexual activity. Courts in Canada can also issue orders for the deletion of material from the internet from any computer system within the court's jurisdiction One early application of this law was the Eli Langer case. In 1993, this Toronto artist had an exhibition at the Mercer Gallery. His drawings included images of children in sexual positions. Police raided the gallery and confiscated the works. Langer was eventually acquitted after a trial because his work was considered artistic enough to be justified as protected speech. Law that addresses dynamic aspects of the Internet by regulating the nature of live-time chatting and email communications that may relate to enticing children for pornographic (e.g., web cam) or other sexual purposes has passed in 2002. It also criminalizes the intentional access of child pornography. India In February 2009, the Parliament of India passed the Information Technology Bill which made creation and transmission of child pornography illegal. The bill also enables India's law enforcement agencies to take strict action against those seeking child pornography. For example, browsing for child pornography on the internet can lead to a 10 year term in jail and Rs. 1 million fine. Japan In 1998, Japan was the world's biggest producer of child pornography. In 2003 the Japanese government updated its child pornography laws to match those of the west; however, enforcement has been lacking. Current Japanese law permits people to possess child porn images if they have no intention to sell or pass them on to others. Philippines The first documented cases of child pornography in the Philippines were in the 1970s. These were produced by American soldiers stationed in Vietnam who went to different Southeast Asian countries, including the Philippines, for rest and recreation. Some of these soldiers were alleged to have produced pornographic images of Filipino children. According to a book by Arnie Trinidad entitled Child Pornography in the Philippines published by UNICEF Manila, a prominent case happened in Pagsanjan, Laguna, a rural community South of Manila. The case, according to Trinidad, involved the victimization of 590 children and adolescents aged 7 to 17 years old, by 22 American and European pedophiles who were involved in the production of pornography, drug abuse, and the sexual abuse of children. The study, published in 2005, documents other cases perpetrated by both foreign and local pedophiles and includes in depth analysis of the ongoing problem, in the context of the social, economic and legal environment. The UNICEF Manila study states that social factors increase the propensity of children to be victimized in pornography. Among these are the commercial sexual exploitation of children, sex tourism, poverty, peer influence, availability of technology, cultural factors, among others. In 2003, the Philippines ratified their signing of the United Nations Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the Sale of Children, Child Prostitution and Child Pornography; the protocol requires its signatories to recognize child pornography as a crime against children and to treat any act that contributes to production or distribution of child pornography as a criminal offense, within two years of ratification. [77] Although fully compliant comprehensive legislation has not yet been enacted, Philippine law criminalizes the use of children in any aspect of the production or distribution of pornography, defining a "child" as younger than 18 years; and with maximum penalties required if the child involved is younger than 12 years old. On September 15, 2007, the Children and Youth Secretariat of the Anti-Child Pornography Alliance (ACPA-Pilipinas) in the Philippines launched Batingaw Network "to protect and save children from all forms of abuses and exploitations." It is the largest anti-child pornography movement in the Philippines to date. It declared September 28 as the "National Day of Awareness and Unity against Child Pornography. Taiwan Child and Adolescent Sex Exploitation Prevention Act criminalized the production, broadcast, distribution, exhibition of child pornography. Simple possession of such materials without justifiable cause is punishable by fines. United Kingdom In the United Kingdom, it is illegal to take, make, distribute, show or possess an indecent image of a child. Accessing an indecent image is considered to be "making" the image, meaning that a defendant can be charged under the Protection of Children Act if he accessed an image without saving it. Indecency is to be interpreted by a jury, who should apply the recognised standards of propriety. A child is a person who has not reached the age of 18. Under UK law, an image that appears to be a photograph of a child, but is not a photograph, is referred to as a "pseudo-photograph". It is also illegal to make, distribute, show or possess with a view to showing or distributing an indecent pseudo-photograph of a child, under the Protection of Children Act. As of the commencement of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008, this prohibition will be extended to encompass "tracings" of photographs. In 2008, the Government announced further plans to criminalise all non-realistic sexual images depicting under-18s. The Government claimed it was needed to close a loophole for images derived from actual images of abuse - despite the fact that this loophole is closed in the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008, and the new proposals criminalise images not derived from actual abuse. The children's charity NCH, stated that "this is a welcome announcement which makes a clear statement that drawings or computer-generated images of child abuse are as unacceptable as a photograph". Others stated that the intended law would limit artistic expression, patrol peoples' imaginations, and that it is safer for pedophiles' fantasies "to be enacted in their computers or imaginations [rather] than in reality". The prohibition of content on the Internet that is potentially illegal under this law by British internet service providers is however self-regulatory, coordinated by the non-profit charity Internet Watch Foundation (who has partnerships with many major ISPs in the country). The IWF runs on a hotline model, where users can report potentially illegal content on the internet. The foundation then generates blacklists of potentially illegal websites, which are used for ISP-level filtering systems such as BT Group's Cleanfeed, which has also been adopted by 80% of internet service providers in the country. The IWF's practices however have come under scrutiny in response to a controversial blacklisting of a Wikipedia article (which was later retracted) on the Scorpions 1976 studio album Virgin Killer, whose album art contained a young girl posing nude with a glass shatter blocking her genitalia, which the IWF blacklisted as being "potentially illegal". JR Raphael of PC World stated that the incident has raised serious free-speech issues, and that it is alarming that one non-governmental organisation is ultimately acting as the "morality police" for about 95% of UK's Internet users.[89] Frank Fisher of The Guardian criticized the IWF for secretiveness and lack of legal authority, among other things, and noted that the blacklist could contain anything and that the visitor of a blocked address may not know his/her browsing is being censored.[90] United States In the United States, child pornography is illegal under federal law and in all states. Although child pornography may also be obscene, a legal term that refers to offensive or violent forms of pornography that have been declared by decisions by the US Supreme Court to be outside the protection of the First Amendment regarding free speech, it is defined differently from obscenity. Federal sentencing guidelines regarding child pornography differentiate between production, distribution and purchasing/receiving, and also include variations in severity based on the age of the child involved in the materials, with significant increases in penalties when the offense involves a prepubescent child or a child under the age of 12. In May 2008, the Supreme Court upheld the 2003 federal law Section 2252A(a)(3)(B) of Title 18, United States Code that criminalizes the pandering and solicitation of child pornography, in a 7-to-2 ruling penned by Justice Antonin Scalia. The court ruling dismissed the United States Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit's finding the law unconstitutionally vague. Attorney James R. Marsh, founder of the Children's Law Center in Washington, DC, wrote that although the Supreme Court's decision has been criticized by some, he believes it correctly enables legal personnel to fight crime networks where child pornography is made and sold.[94] Child pornography is illegal and it does not have to be looked at in terms of the typical guidelines of the First Amendment, because it is illegal due to the harm it creates to children when child pornography is made, sold and owned. The PROTECT Act of 2003, a bill addressing various aspects of child abuse, prohibits some illustrations and computer-generated images depicting children in a pornographic manner. Provisions against virtual child pornography in the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996 were ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2002 on the grounds that the restrictions on speech were not jusified by a compelling government interest (such as protecting real children). The provisions of the PROTECT Act instead prohibit such material if it qualifies as obscene as defined by the Miller Test; the Supreme Court has ruled that such material is not protected by the First Amendment. Elsewhere A review in 2005 of child pornography laws in 184 countries by the International Centre for Missing & Exploited Children (ICMEC) and other organizations including software giant Microsoft shows that more than half have no laws that address child pornography. This review, however, only looked for specific laws related to child-pornography offenses. It did not take into account legislation that bans the "worst forms of child labor", nor did it consider countries in which there is a "general ban on pornography" to have legislation against child pornography because of the absence of legislation specific to child pornography. |
| International coordination of law enforcement One of the primary mandates of the international policing organization Interpol is the prevention of crimes against children involving the crossing of international borders, including child pornography and all other forms of exploitation and trafficking of children. The USA Department of Justice coordinates programs to track and prosecute child pornography offenders across all jurisdictions, from local police departments to federal investigations, and international cooperation with other governments. Efforts by the Department to combat child pornography includes the National Child Victim Identification Program, the world's largest database of child pornography, maintained by the Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section of the United States Department of Justice and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) for the purpose of identifying victims of child abuse. Police agencies have deployed trained staff to track child pornography files and the computers used to share them as they are distributed on the Internet, and they freely share identifying information for the computers and users internationally. When child pornography is distributed across international borders, customs agencies also participate in investigations and enforcement, such as in the 2001-2002 cooperative effort between the United States Customs Service and local operational law enforcement agencies in Russia. A search warrant issued in the USA by the Customs Service resulted in seizing of computers and email records by the Russian authorities, and arrests of the pornographers. In spite of international cooperation, less than 1 percent of children who appear in child pornography are located by law enforcement each year, according to Interpol statistics. Google announced in 2008 that it is working with NCMEC to help automate and streamline how child protection workers sift through millions of pornographic images to identify victims of abuse. Google has developed video fingerprinting technology and software to automate the review of some 13 million pornographic images and videos that analysts at the center previously had to review manually. GOOGLE WILL BE YOUR DOWNFALL |
| It doesn't matter if you are 18 or 80. If you have images of underage girls, you go to jail and you get labeled as a sex offender. period. I've done my homework long ago. It isn't my fault that you are a deviant. |
| people in america are already being arrested simply for having lolicon manga and no real child pornography. if the people in this thread think that actual child pornography is somehow more legal than drawn lolicon... then god save the human race. under 18 is child pornography. this may vary by state, but if you have half a brain you'd know that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT only pays attention to state laws when it's something they aren't on a crusade for. an example of this would be legalized marijuana. state's are supposed to have the right to allow legalization, but the federal government will not allow it. on the other hand, you have gay marriage, which the federal government urges states to handle themselves. remember, the girl in the picture may be 16, but the judge and the jury are more than likely going to be 40+ years old. ;D |
| @3591 is this some dyslexia? |
| @3591 My opinion doesn't matter. Neither does yours. The law is clear and to the point. I don't need to go farther. Just because you want to justify your deviant acts doesn't mean you still can't get arrested for it. For example: http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/19514858/detail.html http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/07/sexting.busts/index.html http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-news_local.asp?id=BK7KNA9PKBC I don't understand why people would blatantly ignore the laws when we know by looking at the traffic that over 80% of the people here are American. |
| @3595 yes, because the example question provided in @3855 would make a 15 year old male with nudes of his 17 year old girlfriend a pedophile. Makes perfect sence /sarcasm |
| @3599 Indeed it does. Photos of people under the age of 18 is illegal and it is persecuted. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/07/sexting.busts/index.html I listed it before but seems like you didn't read it all. |
| @3600 but you fail to see the flawed logic of it |
| @3601 but you fail to see the LAW |
| @3601 NO U You should not be having or taking pictures of yourself or anyone else naked. No ifs, ands, or buts. Period. End of discussion. The gf shouldn't have taken them, the bf shouldn't have kept them. Period. The reason it's 18 is because you have to have some age where reason begins. Have you MET any 16 year olds? FUCK! |
| @3602 there's at least one case the ACLU has fought against it, and the laws are changing across various states. You may appear intellegent with you quoting a few select articles that fit to your liking, but as usual, you fail to research what has happened since then. @3606 I laughed at your first sentence for wording it in such a fashion that nobody should take pornographic pictures of anybody. |
| @3605 You laughed at a non existent post? Ummm. The research done ARE recent cases. You fail to justify your preversions. |
| @3600 "prosecuted" |
| Thread over viewed and I believe the pedos were thoroughly dominated in the art of debate. |
| millions of pedos looking and hosting CP. a handfull of court cases. You've got nothing to worry about. Just don't search for CP on yahoo |
| @3612 Ummm....until the Google/Fed engine goes full force. Then it will be more than a few for certain. I'll tell you one thing, when I can, I'll be reporting these sites that are in violation of the law. There must be watchdogs for this specifically. |
| @3607 it seems to me that you're an arrogant asshole, especally when someone goes to point out what else is going on in the local governments over sexting. Go look it up you lazy faggot. The underage people doing that shouldn't be put into the same group as pedophiles. @3612 I've read that they've turned in people for it and rightfully so. |
| I'm surprised that nobody has even mentioned .onion sites at all. |
| @3614 I have seen no links to the contrary, just "look it up" and when I do, I see a ton of cases of teens getting locked up and labeled as sex offenders. Sorry, 8 or 80, it's wrong. The law is pretty clear. |
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| Tahko is a moralfag to the extreme. By your logic, if you had a picture of your baby on a rug withough clothes, you would be put away for child pornography. Same would go for if you had naked baby pictures of yourself. |
| @3635 he's not a moralfag, he's just... Have you ever seen that South Park episode with Al Gore? |
| @3613 Google has already announced that all searches are confidential and they do not allow the government to monitor them. If they ever do (which I doubt) we'll know about it. More probable is that the ISPs will send info to the government like they're doing in the UK |
| @3639 The government already monitors all traffic in America. Not for these purposes (child porn), of course, but I'm sure it will be tacked on when resources are able to be dedicated for it (or as technology continues to make it easier to do.) Google is lying to you, as well. They share search information with the government on many occasions, many times dealing with child pornography. Google is legally required just like everyone else to cooperate with an investigation. |
| @3639 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.....And people say I need to do my research. http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article3652494.ece YOU WEAK PATHETIC FOOL |
| ITT butthurt |
| @3639 You've probably never noticed the "results removed because of chillingeffects.org" or roughly the same message. |
| PYLON, PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT 1024CHAN, IT'S PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THEY ARE CHEATING. /cruise control |
| @3677 their alexa rating seems to match their hits here |
| @3678 That's means absolutely nothing except that alexa reflects the same amount of traffic they're getting on the chantoplist. Every time they dip below 888chan suddenly their hits goes up by 2,000 within like an hour, and it usually happens overnight. |
| Get over it. 1024chan isn't cheating. |
| @3679 1024chan is cheating and there won't be anything done about it because pylon is very good friends with them and won't remove them. I've talked to everyone about it. |
| At least with *chan roulette there isn't a way to cheat. ;) |
| @3652 That has nothing to do with what he said, retard. |
| @3685 quit advertising your shit Tahko |
| @3688 You mean like the reason why this whole site exists? Why don't you do something worth promoting? |
| @3683 I don't know the 1024chan admin very well. I wouldn't really call having high traffic "cheating". Do you have any grounds for your argument? Because I happen to know that their click rate into this site matches their traffic, as does their alexa ranking, and "1024chan" is googled more than any of the chans on the list. |
| @3698 How come there aren't more posts than any on the list? |
| @3698 Pylon, look at their post rate compared to other *chans. For having that much "traffic" it's a really slow site. |
| I've looked and compared 1024chan to 888chan. yesterday's hits/posts for 1024chan was 13,294/21 888chan's hits were 8,325 and I stopped counting when I realized I reached and past 21 posts and I had only been to the fifth board. Pylon, proof is in the pudding, your boy is cheating. -Tahko |
| @3700 The rankings aren't currently based on how "slow" a site is. @3701 So I guess they have a lot more lurkers than posters. What does this have to do with cheating? I'll bet you the amount of hits/posts for 4chan is much less than 1024chans, does that mean they're cheating? (cheating for what I have no idea) Maybe 1024chan is getting crappy traffic from some source, but there's no way to quantify what type of traffic could be seen as "cheating". In the future the ranking system may have a way to quantify the "quality" of a site's traffic. But having a slow board doesn't mean you're cheating. -pylon |
| @3702 Dude, I can't believe you would protect a cheater. Just because he's a friend? That's not cool. I'm sorry, it's obvious to everyone that he is cheating. Perhaps I should start cheating. Maybe everyone should start cheating to balance everything out. |
| A user on IRC messaged me and asked if I would like to get my board pushed up to the #1 spot (using some sort of botnet.) I declined because it does not matter to me that much. I will not say who offered this to me, but I can say that I know for a fact he is friends with the owners of 888chan and 1024chan. Pylon must be missing something. |
| Someone told me he is cheating! It must be so! ~ Tahko |
| @3708 not me. Clearly it's obvious that 1024chan is cheating. If you do the footwork and investigate it's obvious. -Tahko |
| @3709 Then could you tell us what you found in your investigation? -pylon |
| @3707 haha stop trying to cause shit you liar say who "offered" this or gtfo |
| @3711 I'm not lying. I'm also not the type of internet faggot that tosses around names. I do not want to single anyone out, I'm just showing that there is cheating happening and it's being OFFERED to other people as well. Where I e-hangout, if you're found to even copy paste a line of chat elsewhere you are ruined. |
| @3710 I already told you. The percentage overall for hits/posts are 10 times lower than anyone else in the top five. Check it out yourself. |
| @3712 Ummmm hello....Anonymous posting. POST THE PROOF DUDE. I need people backing up the obvious. |
| @3712 Then you have no proof, and you are lying. GG |
| @3714 That's not how it works. p.s. 888chan and 1024chan obviously get most of their traffic from all of the pedophiles that lurk their jailbait boards 24/7. @3717 Using your logic you are wrong. |
| @3719 and nobody comes to your board. go baw elsewhere faggot |
| @3720 It's obvious that no one goes to 1024chan but somehow they still get hits. |
| If this was someone pylon didn't care about, they would have been deleted. I should start my own chan toplist and make it possible to reach the top without having to cheat. |
| @3712 Fuck you, I'm r3x and no one has ever offered to boost my traffic, and if they did i would never accept because then I wouldn't have an accurate picture of who's using 888chan and why. And as a matter of fact I'd just as soon leave this toplist than be forced to cheat in order to get #1. I mean this pylon. -r3x |
| @3722 I don't know why you keep saying this, I don't think I've ever even talked to the admin of 1024chan. I can't delete someone off the list because one or two people say they have a slow board so they must be cheating. I have no problem with deleting a board that is cheating, but provide some proof. Almost all the hits to TCTL from 1024chan are from their /jb/ board, I wouldn't be surprised if all that traffic is just lurkers to that board. They also don't have any ads, I can't really see a reason why they would want a bunch of fake traffic to their site. No one has to (or is allowed to) cheat to get #1. Their alexa pagerank backs up the amount of traffic we see, so if they are cheating it's not TCTL specific. Since you're so adamant I'll investigate this further to see whether or not they're cheating, but I'm out of town until next week so you'll have to be a little patient. Also if anyone wants to email me anything they have so that they don't have to post it here that would be very helpful too. -pylon |
| it's the jb you idiots. I was just on 4chan and saw a 1024chan thread filled with their cake |
| @3725 pylon, I know what I saw. At one point their traffic actually dipped below 888chan's for a day, then it shot up by 2,000 hits within an hour. I think it was on June 12th, actually. @3726 jb accounts for a lot of their traffic, but not all of it. |
| @3727 tahko just stfu, your conspiracy theroies are boring and based off of hunches and no facts |
| @3728 Dude, if you want to ignore the prove presented then that's all you bro. I know enough about message boards to know that you get a decent amount of lurkers but it makes no sense to have that many lurkers. Until you do the footwork yourself, don't come knocking on my door. I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE! |
| @3728 Oh hello, that was me, r3x. |
| @3739 I mean, 3727 was me, r3x. |
| What's the best way to find out if an IP address was from a proxy or not? |
| @3741 If you want to test if its a http-proxy, try connecting to the IP on port 80. If it responds its probably a http-proxy. This may also catch out ISP webcaches and such, but its effective most of the time. |
| @3775 Don't do that. Lots of people run webservers at home. |
| @3777 lol. Well that's on them for being stupid. |
| report the webserver running on their home connection to their isp and get them disconnected. |
| @3780 if your isp doesnt let you run servers you have a shitty isp. |
| @3782 So.........like.........every isp? |
| Most ISP's let you run servers just not for commercial use |
| @3785 no |
| look at 1024chan's hits right now. Why did their traffic suddenly dip so low? |
| @3787 They put a pass on for /jb |
| @3782 @3786 Hey, good job living in America where you can use your internet connection for whatever you want... In other news, your internet is more censored than in China. |
| @3995 lies and trollin |
| @3995 yea he's retarded, china blocks so much shit, including a lot of the webcam streaming sites. in other news, one of my computers on my ISP is a dedicated web server... |
| I was wondering why the top board was so slow. I guess I got about half an answer in here. |
| Hello guys, i am from Russia. I'l really want to know about masasaka. Please, comrades, tell me about it. |
| @3433 Wow my site was mentioned and I didn't even know it.. :\ |
| U.S.A. DEMAND'S YOU FOLLOW THERE LAW'S NOW!!! U.S.A DEMANDS YOU DO AS SPECIAL INTREST GROUP'S SAY NOW!!! U.S.A IS THE WORLD POLICE!!! DO WHAT THEY SAY NOW!!!! U.S.A. = FREEDOM REALY? I'D RATHER LIVE SOMPLACE ELSE TOO BAD IM STUCK HERE WERE AM I FREE TOO LOVE A GIRL ANY AGE? THAT IS NORMAL |
| Hey what ever happen to tracy lord's did she turn out to be a child saftey advocate? im pretty sure her producers filmers & the guy who fucked her when she ws underage & in porn nothing happened to them back in the day ......... ohhh here come the hero's!! yea go charge them all with something & scream cp!! |
| Oh sweet jesus. The amounts of butthurt in this. |
| help im brainwashed i think girls with clothes on = cp but, sex scenes nudity on tv is not porn at all even though they are having sex |
